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#4948 Sprayable Dip vs Self-thinned Dip

Posted by IamThePuzzleMan on 21 March 2013 - 03:40 PM

FIRST RDS isn't just $62. Go back and go all the way to check out. Don't forget to add the cost of shipping in there too.

 

Some may linke my videos, and some may hate them, I don't really care. But let me share some of helpful info I have gathered and TESTED myself along with some FACTS that you should keep in mind when considering RDS. vs Self Thinned.

 

Yes, RDS does give a brighter or more full color. That is fact. It is because of the added pigments. BUT when you buy RDS all you are paying for is the added pigments. Per Plasti-Dip International the only difference between RDS and Self Thinned is ONLY the pigment. If you buy pre-thinned gallons you get the same amount of ACTUAL PLASTI DIP, in each gallon, as you do in RDS. (More pigment does not mean more plasti dip.)

 

Now, on to the second thing that, on a long enough time line, EVERYONE will figure this part out. If you spray your car with RDS don't think you can get away with less coats or less gallons. If your project is takes 4 gallons of Self Thinned you will need NO LESS than 4 gallons of RDS. What you have to look at is the ability to remove it. To remove Plasti Dip it HAS to be between 15-20 mils thick. (1 mil = 1/1000 of an inch) If you do 3 coats on something and stop because the color looks great just know that you will be in for a mess when you try to remove it. RDS or Self Thinned you still need 15-20 mils thick EITHER WAY!! 

 

Now, on to what I KNOW about the pigment itself. I add pigment to plasti dip that I get from Sherwin Williams. Per Plasti-Dip International to make, what is equal to RDS just add 1/3oz of pigment for every 14.5oz can. There are 9 14.5oz cans in a gallon so 9 x .33= 2.97oz (round up to 3 oz.)

  • So, 3 oz of pigment of pigment $5, + 9 cans of un-thinned plasti dip $63.00, + 1 gallon  of thinner $20 = $87.00 and it will make 2 gallons of RDS.

 

Last thing, about the pigment itself. Plasti Dip International told me themselves that if I were going to get my own pigment it needed to be SOLVENT or ENAMEL based pigment. They also said I could get it at Sherwin Williams since they use the SAME pigments Plasti Dip International does. When I went down and picked up my first order of black pigment I found out I needed (882 industrial grade pigments, but me double check that number. Either way, its industrial grade.) I told him what I was doing, and he just laughed and said he would just shoot the 6 oz of pigment into a bucket at no charge. I made him tell me how much it would be, just so I would know since I will in there on a regular basis now. So, for 6oz of industrial grade pigment (which treats 2 unthinned gallons of dip) cost me a grand total of... $5. Not bad. The most important thing is don't go to Wal-Mart, Lowes or Home Depot to get your pigments. They use oil based or water based. THAT WILL NOT TURN OUT WELL.

 

Like me, hate me, like I said I don't care. I just hope I helped someone.


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#4051 Make Money Plasti Dipping - The basics

Posted by Jesse on 08 March 2013 - 03:33 AM

There are a lot of people trying to make money plasti dipping. The first thing I'm going to tell you is don't even bother trying unless you have experience dipping. The number 1 mistake I see people doing is hopping into a "dipping business" without ever having dipped a car in their life. 

 

 

Dipping a car is not as easy as you may think. The key to a good dip is all in the prep work and if you think you're going to lazy it out and get huge profit, that's not going to happen. If you do try this, you're going to have many mistakes and angry customers banging on your door because the "dip job" you did for them was ruined in a week. 

 

First you want to make sure that you try dipping on your own car. Plasti dip your wheels, emblems, badges, and anything else you can think of. Peel it off, and do it again a different color. Ask around for opinions from friends and family. You want to make sure your work is flawless and top notch. Working on your own car enough should help you get the jist of how to fix any problems you might have down the road with plasti dip. When you have had enough practice on your own car, you might want to start thinking about offering services. 

 

Before you offer services, do the services you're offering for free, or for the cost of dip to friends and family. This will help you get a bit of experience in dealing with plasti dip. Ask them to notify you of ANY problems they have immediately so you can figure out the best way to address them. Once you feel comfortable with doing dipping services for friends and family, start charging friends or family a bit extra for labor and see how that goes. 

 

As you start to progress, add more choices in your dipping venture. If you started with just badges and you are fully comfortable with that, start adding wheels or trim into the mix! Eventually you should work your way up to doing full cars. Just remember, you're doing this to please the customers, not put cash in your pocket. The cash is just a bonus.


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#326 Two-Can Giveaway Every other week

Posted by Jesse on 09 February 2013 - 12:18 AM

Alright guys, I'm going to be starting the Two Can giveaway. If this goes smoothly this will be happening every other week. This may be going on more frequently if we start building more interest and gather up more members, so be sure to share the site with your friends and family! New members can register and still enter. Make sure you guys post here at least once to enter!


Rules:

  • You must be a resident of the continental US (48 states). - I am sorry about this but for now, this is all I can afford to do.
  • You must have at least 10 forum posts by the 15th (spamming will not be tolerated and any spammers will be banned).
  • You must post in this topic once AND ONLY ONCE. If you post more than once, you will be disqualified.
  • A winner will be chosen at random from a pool of submissions of everyone who has replied to this topic.
  • The winner will be notified via PM to provide their contact information. The winner will have 48 hours to respond to the PM or another winner will be chosen.

The first giveaway will end on Friday, February 15th and the winner should be announced by Sunday, February 17th, no later than 11:59pm.


What you can Win:
The winner will receive their choice of two spray-able cans. Your choices are:

  • Standard colors (Black, white, red, yellow, gunmetal gray, clear, blue)
  • Blaze colors (Blue, yellow, green, orange, purple, pink)
  • Enhancers (Gold metalizer, Silver Metalizer, Copper Metalizer, glossifier, pearlizer)
  • Camo colors; (Black, green, tan, brown)



 

UPDATE:If you are in canada and would like to enter anyway, feel free. I will try my best to see if I can get the shop I'm shipping from to cut me a deal to ship to canada. If it doesn't work out, I do apologize in advance and I will have to pick another member :(

You may mix and match any two cans.

Good luck, and enjoy!

 

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#2066 Safety

Posted by Rob Z on 19 February 2013 - 05:39 PM

We are all aware of the risks with spraying Plasti Dip. Every manufactured product has a MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet). These sheets are required by OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Administration) and must be avaiable to all emploiees. I will be using this thread to post and give information on safety issues we all should be aware of. In the mean time the MSDS sheets for all Plasti Dip products are avaiable on their sites. As I find them for the thinning products I will post them. FYI, For those that are thnking of selling or distributing thinned dip. If you thin Plasti Dip and sell it you have now created a NEW product. I believe you are required to provide a list of ingredients and their percentage in the final product. You may also be required to provide a MSDS sheet for this new product. If this is the case and not adheared to you are setting yourself up for some serious fines.
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#7802 Random thoughts ie: Sponsorships

Posted by Jesse on 14 August 2013 - 06:56 PM

From what I've seen, sometimes sponsoring a car can seem like something beneficial but often dippers just dip their own cars and go to shows and events themselves. Since it's so cheap, you can practically "sponsor" your own car and change it up as often as you like.


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#7669 90 Mazda Miata Firebelly Orange

Posted by Rob Z on 05 August 2013 - 01:27 PM

Just finished a friends 90 miata. I hat originally done it Firebelly Orange. But after a couple of months it looked like crap from the fading. So we settled on a design and I spent a few days in the garage.

The blue is Ultra Marine Blue. 25g per thinned gallon of clear.

The Orange started as Koi Orange, but was too dark. Added a little blue and a tone of yellow tint from Sherwin Williams. This brigtened it up. Next time will just start with clear. Much easier.

I did not remove the FB. I did 3 coats gray then 3 coats of white befor any color.

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#7273 Saving Money: Make Your Own Car Kit

Posted by DipThat on 03 July 2013 - 12:57 PM

Know that having spoken with DYC the proportions of Naphtha/Xylene and dip is not the same for all colors - they say that it is altered for the different colors to ensure best color & coverage. So there is not 1 rule fits all.

Whilst I sell the full-strength colors - I still recommend the RDS pre-thinned - I think the Full Strength Clear and adding thinner and pigments is the way to go for custom colors though. I recommend just mixing the gallon of full strength clear with 1 gallon of naphtha  & your pigment as the way to go - cheaper and has no adverse results - DYC confirmed this.


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#7223 Cheapest Place to Buy Plasti dip - Updated Frequently

Posted by Rob Z on 28 June 2013 - 01:35 PM

I honestly think this thread should be deleted now that there are featured vendors. Its just going to start a bidding war between the vendors.

Don't delete this thread. If vendors wish to lower their price to attract customers that is their choice. There are many customers to go around. If there weren't then dyc would be in a price war with AWF. If dyc can resell to their vendors at a reduced price then there is plenty of room for a little savings to customers that want to shop a better price.

This started as a DIY community.  If it pulls threads like this so the vendors can keep their prices up then it is not for the DIYer, but for the vendors.

Almost ever vendor here began as a small DIYer. Don't forget your roots.  There's enough to go around.
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#6 My baby blue G!

Posted by Jesse on 02 February 2013 - 12:48 AM

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#341 2002 Rsx-s

Posted by Srdc5 on 09 February 2013 - 01:44 AM

Blaze blue plastidip. Covers so good. Finished at work. Slow day lol.

 

 

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#2666 Xylene Safety

Posted by Jesse on 24 February 2013 - 02:41 PM

Guys, xylene is definitely a very toxic substance and I am going to say this: please always use gloves when you plan to touch xylene or anything with xylene in it. Whenever working with xylene please also use a respirator. I personally use goggles as well when working with xylene.

 

None of this is meant to scare you, this is here so you don't hurt yourself in the process. Following my precautions does not guarantee your safety and it is your responsibility to research other ways to protect yourself from xylene poisoning. 

 

What I am here to tell you is what others do when working with xylene and tell you the potential side effects of xylene getting into your system or on your skin. From what I see, when dipping & thinning with xylene, most people use a respirator and some wear gloves. I personally try to do both and wear goggles as well. 

 

 

I have found a nice list of possible side-effects of getting xylene into your body through different methods. I am paraphrasing for you guys. Source is at the end of the post.

 

Here are the symptoms of xylene entering your system.

 

Eye Contact

Can cause redness, pain, swelling, tearing, and hazy vision. 

 

Skin Contact

Redness, swelling, pain, itching, dryness.

 

Inhalation

Depression of the central nervous system causing dizziness  headache & vomiting. Inhaling high concentrations can lead to liver damage, kidney damage, loss of coordination, loss of consciousness, respiratory failure, or even death.

 

Ingestion

Depression of the central nervous system resulting in dizziness, nausea, and vomiting. 

 

Aspiration

Serious injuries to the lungs or death for large quantities Small quantities may result in coughing, choking, shortness of breath, blue color of the skin, rapid respiratory rate and rapid heart rate. 

 

Large quantities aspirated may also cause pulmonary edema, pulmonary bleeding, coma, seizures, or death.

 

These symptoms may occur immediately or as long as 24 hours after aspiration.

 

 

Source:

http://www.livestron...effects-xylene/


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#2661 Out your window shots

Posted by Srdc5 on 24 February 2013 - 01:32 PM

Ha, I don't drive much. But I always honk for the kids and of course the pretty ladies
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#1798 Dip Picture Game

Posted by Jgieka on 18 February 2013 - 05:45 AM

lol nitro's confused 


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#1749 Designs

Posted by Jgieka on 18 February 2013 - 04:27 AM

honestly I use frog tape all the time, its amazing.  sometimes electrical tape will leave behind a crappy residue that you then have to clean off.  also you can spray all your coats without removing the tape until the very last coat.  when you do the last coat, just peel the tape while the dip is wet, and you will have no issues.  


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#8999 Truck dip-first time

Posted by mitechman46 on 08 June 2015 - 12:30 AM

Well, after years of plastidip on wheels and trim, I finally decided to do my truck black- 4 coats total. challenge was because it is so tall so a ladder had to be used. 7 hours from start of masking to finish unmasking. Totally transformed the truck!

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#8795 Galaxy Kameleon G37

Posted by Jesse on 03 June 2014 - 06:10 PM

Decided to redo my G37 in the kandy pearls galaxy chameleon. Used 150G of pearl in a 2 clear/1 gloss mixture. I absolutely love this color, one of the brightest colors out and that's exactly what I was going for!

 

 

What I used:

 

1.25 gallons sprayable black plasti dip as a base 

150 grams of Galaxy Kameleon pearl

1 Gallon UNTHINNED (Full strength) clear plasti dip + 1 gallon naphtha OR 2 gallons sprayable clear

1 Gallon Glossifier

 

 

What I did:

 

1) Lay the base (black)

2) Mix the 2 gallons of clear and 1 gallon glossifier into a 5 gallon bucket.

3) Add the 150 grams of pearl into the bucket (One bag, then stir, then another bag.........)

4) Spray the pearl top coat you just mixed onto the car walking the FULL length of the vehicle to prevent buildups and stripes. Keep the overlaps CONSISTENT.

 

 

 
 
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#8793 Unboxing - Earlex 3500 Spray Station

Posted by WykidDip on 02 June 2014 - 05:49 AM

Here's a vid I put together of me unboxing the Earlex 3500 Spray Station.  There will be more to come. . . hope this helps some that are thinking about getting one.

 

 


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#8712 Getting started

Posted by plastidip on 29 April 2014 - 02:00 AM

hey man, im from ontario, im 17 as well and have been in the plasti dipping business for about few months.

 

when i started out i didnt do full car dipping only rims, trims grills, ext. i didnt make too much money but i got by( lets say $50 a week profit) i did that for about 2 months right after that i started dipping family and friends full cars for only the price of the material (so free labour) thats when i realized i can make good money, so i borrowed $2500 from a family member and bought what i needed (spray gun, mask, lots of tape, shoot tone of plasti dip and some other small things. from there i started advertising, i put up adds on all websites and printed out flyers to hand out to buddys at school. later on i bought business cards because i soon realized that yes people dont take you too seriously when your 17 and believe me these cards help more then you think. anyway im not ganna bore you with the whole story the point is there were ups and downs, i lost some money at first and alsmost got my ass handed to me one time because some guy thought i scratched his benz. today i have payed back the $2500,and have $7000 in the bank. so if you really wana do this go for it, dont worry about the age but make sure your work is perfect!! let me know if you have any questions. sorry about the spelling im here to help you out not teach you English.


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#8539 should i get my costumers to sign a waiver?

Posted by plastidip on 31 January 2014 - 03:59 AM

i have heard of people starting up a dipping business and all is well until one costumer decides to blame a few scratches on them.

so my question is should i make people sign a waiver / contract, if so how would one look, what would it say? thanks! 


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#8375 How to thin plasti dip yourself

Posted by Raul_InkFX on 07 November 2013 - 12:27 PM

This is a great thread. Living in SoCal this is pretty much the only way to dip a whole car without spending an arm and a leg or going to another state to get gallons. I have been self thinning all my PD. It's actually not that hard once you get to doing it.

The best way I have found to do this is calculate how many gallons I will need first. So say you need 4 gallons. Take a bucket that will hold 4 or more gallons and start with a 50/50 ratio of PD to thinner.

Here I have to use the 14.5 oz cans of PD so 4 cans of PD to 4 cans of thinner (just us the 14.5 PD cans to measure your thinner) gets me 1 gallon.

I do this for the first 3 gallons and on the last gallon I will only add 2 cans of thinner to the 4 cans of PD.

This gives me better coverage and is very easy to measure.

Adding tint is always a plus I found that just one tint kit into 4 gallons makes a huge difference. You can go on DYC and make your own tint kit, choose all the colors 1 of each.

Just thought I'd add to the thread. Happy dipping guys!


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